Neo-Tanuki ([info]neo_tanuki) wrote,
@ 2009-11-04 13:05:00
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The new "V," what do you think?
On a whim last night, I decided to tune in to the premiere of the new "V" remake on ABC. Now, the original "V" in the 1980s was a big deal when I was in high school...I still remember how we talked about some of the creepy plot twists in the series and I liked its political commentary.

I think whether one saw and liked the original 80s version will make a big difference whether one likes the new "V." Unlike "Battlestar Galactica," which tried hard to take off in several significantly different, grittier directions than the original, the new "V" seems a bit like an economy version of the original--same basic ideas, but compressed so they can get to the sinister aliens vs. human resistance stuff more quickly.

I think that's where the new one suffers in comparison. The special effects and revamped production design is quite good (I like the running joke about how all the Visitors are fashion-model hot). The cast are mostly unmemorable, though I like Scott Wolf and the two actors from Serenity/Firefly.

An area where the new "V" suffers is story development and political allegory. The original was a neat sci-fi parable about fascism, collaboration and totalitarianism, and how it could happen in the modern U.S. The original took time to establish several characters, make them sympathetic, and then show how some became unlikely heroes and some truly vile collaborators, sometimes with good intentions. That was effective. The new "V" doesn't do this nearly as well, because in order to move the plot faster, they give away too soon that the Visitors are evil. The attempt to set up a human resistance ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE THE ALIENS ARRIVE, plus the story's lame not-very-subtle attempts to connect the Visitors to economic problems, Al-Quaeda, 9/11 and the Iraq War (apparently all bad events of the past decade are secretly the Visitor's fault) struck me as, well, dumb. And plagiarizing the far more clever and witty John Carpenter film, "They Live".)

My biggest problem is that the original "V" had a great character who lent powerful drama and allegory to the series...the grandfather who is a holocaust survivor who did not trust the Visitors. I still remember the scene where he teaches the kids defacing Visitor propaganda to spray the WWII "V" for Victory instead. (Hence the title of the series and the tie-in with the whole fascist allegory.) In the new one, "V" is a symbol the aliens encourage kids to tag walls with "To spread the message of peace." (Facepalm). Arrgh. It doesn't work nearly as well. It seems to me that the current writers really botch their allegory due to lack of historical knowledge. Those who forget the past are doomed to make weak remakes, I guess.

Plus, when you give away the Visitor's big secret halfway through the pilot (I won't reveal it here, I suspect most of you know it already) and THEN try to set up sexual tension between humans and Visitors in a couple of subplots...well, let's just say it kills the romance, oh new "V" writers.

Still, I'm willing to check out a few more episodes to see if they can get over the rocky pilot. There's definitely some interesting potential. But unless they come up with some fresh approaches that aren't as dumb as some of the plot elements in the pilot, I'm iffy about "V"'s potential for success.

Anyone else see it? Opinions?




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[info]ebenbrooks
2009-11-05 01:05 am UTC (link)
It's not even as clever and witty as They Live?!?

Geebus criminy! o.O

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[info]tmixtli
2009-11-05 04:01 pm UTC (link)
I think we are remembering "They Live" differently. That was a pretty witty movie that should have enabled a better future for Roddy Piper. It also had an ending that I have not seen in any other film - the heroes win, but they still both die!

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[info]ebenbrooks
2009-11-05 04:17 pm UTC (link)
I saw it more as a movie that was trying really hard to be witty, but ended up not quite making it. You're right about the end, that is unusual, and well done, too. And I'm certainly not saying that the movie wasn't fun to watch (once), but 'witty and clever'? Hmmm, not so much. Not to me, anyway. Maybe I missed something.

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[info]tmixtli
2009-11-05 05:57 am UTC (link)
*spoiler alert*

I'd like to point out that the human resistance did not assemble before the aliens arrived; they responded covertly to the original alien infiltration years ago and some of the veterans were gathering up a new posse to prepare for the new invasion. I thought the interaction "He's a terrorist with a sleeper cell/That's what I've been trying to tell you" was clever, and I was relieved when Alan Tudyk's bumbling FBI character actually had an excuse for being unrealistically incompetent.

Like you, I was disappointed that the Vistors' secret was revealed in the first episode, but it's a remake - you can't actually surprise the audience with that one. I remain optimistic about the remaining episodes because they must have something in mind besides tapping our nostalgia for advertising dollars.

Edited at 2009-11-05 05:58 am UTC

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[info]neo_tanuki
2009-11-05 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Mmmmrrrhmmmm...sorry, I just didn't like the whole "They were here all along" concept. Here's why:

To me the original series "V" had a message that made you think: That even in modern America, even seemingly decent, ordinary people can be seduced by the evils of totalitarianism.

The modern "V"s message seems to be "All our woes are to blame on alien invaders who are secretly working to make our lives difficult." See the difference? Instead of encouraging us to take a hard look at our beliefs and attitudes, the new show encourages us to put the blame for the world's problems on conspiracy theories. Having the aliens secretly infiltrating and humans already aware of their existence didn't work for me at all.

Now if they'd started the show BEFORE the Visitor arrival, explaining HOW they clued in to the alien infiltrators, THEN having the main fleet show up, that would have possibly worked better for me. But to me it felt too much like the show was saying "Yeah, yeah, they pretend to be friendly but they're evil, let's hurry up and get that out of the way and move on."

Sorry, I admit I may be overthinking this waaaay too much for a show about evil alien invaders. :P But that's just how it struck me.

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[info]evilben
2009-11-05 06:23 am UTC (link)
Here's the thing about the original V; It was a very good concept, amazingly well thought out, and groundbreaking. But, it was boring as hell. Watched any of it recently (on Syfy and the like)? Zzzzzzzzzzz. It needed better editors. About half of the series could have ended up on the cutting room floor without being a detriment.

As far as them revealing the alien's malevolence early, well, everyone knows the aliens will end up evil from the start. This is weather they've seen the original or not. Aliens that appear to be good in the beginning turn out to be evil. It's a trope everyone knows. What purpose would be served by prolonging the "revealing"?

The cultural references (9/11 et al vs "V for Victory" and such) had to be changed because nearly another quarter century has passed.

All in all, I think the series has potential. Effects are top notch. I like the cast (follows my Alan Tudyk makes everything better theory). And the story is good. We'll have to see how they run with it.

And as far as good lines, the one about Independence Day being a rip off was a cute little dig.

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[info]neo_tanuki
2009-11-05 09:20 pm UTC (link)
True, the Independence Day dig was amusing and very well-deserved. I never understood why somebody didn't make more of a fuss about that...it was such a blatant ripoff.

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